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A thread on MillarWorld ostensibly about the new projects DC announced in San Diego has devolved into a "DC is teh suxxor" and "Marvel is teh RULOR" thread. Was Infinite Crisis too inaccessible for new readers? Is it better to have a more easily-explainable premise, like Civil War, but also have 428 crossover issues?
wasn't the stated intent of Infinite Crisis to "simplify continuity issues"? Or did I miss the revision of that intent to "setting up the events that will lead into another mini that will simplify continuity issues" It just seems that if it's taking 11 backup strips and a completely separate series to explain, it's missed the mark somewhat.Personally, it feels a bit too much like I'm studying for my DC Exam. I certainly don't see how IC has made the DCU more accessible to new readers. But hey - I'm a reader who started off reading Earth 8, so what do I know?
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Does anyone else remember a comic that tried to make the DCU more understandable so we could concentrate on stories rather than minutiae? Crisis on Infinite earths or something.
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Jesus, does everyone have to read everything to get everything? It's very easy to read what you want and ignore everything else, *especially* with this thing you're on called "the interweb" where someone else has read everything and can very easily tell you about it.
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Seriously, not to turn this into a Marvel v. DC thing, but try explaining the current status quo of both universes to someone who doesn't read comics, as I did this weekend to a friend who read a few when he was a kid but was hearing good things about them through the media.
Marvel - A group of heros made a mistake and a whole bunch of kids got killed. The government is trying to make all the heros register. Some of them do it, some of them don't and they're punching each other to work out their issues.
DC - 20 years ago, there was a Crisis. What Crisis? Well there was this guy called the Monitor and he had an evil twin called the Anti-Monitor who wanted to destroy the universe....
*Half an hour later*
... and then Batman created this satellite called OMAC, because he didn't trust his friends because of what he found out his friends did to him in Identity Crisis. What do you mean, what did they do to him - weren't you listening when I explained Identity Crisis? No *IDENTITY* Crisis, not *INFINITE* Crisis.
sigh. Okay, one more time...
15 years ago, the Justice League was on a Satellite...
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I'd like to be treated with some intelligence as a reader. I like the new Checkmate for example even after Sacrifice.
I'd like to have a clue as a 25 year DC reader as to what the hell is in continuity or not. We used to have a clue, but now we're in a poor pick and mix situation which seems to offer the chance to do remakes of stories that did not need remaking like the original Batman/Superman story on the cruise ship.
I'd also like Donna Troy to stop being the pivotal force of the DCU and therefore making all other characters as nonsensical as she is now.
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But this is the problem with EVERY crossover. Over on the MCW #3 thread, whenever I've questioned a character's rationalizations for their behavior, I've been told that if I'd only read MCW #1 Director's Cut and bought X-Factor 8 and Thunderbolts 103 and make anagrams of the dialogue while playing my copy of Abbey Road backward, I would TOTALLY understand why Thor would be Pro-registration.
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The perfect crossover was Invasion - perfectly self contained and a great universe spanning story.
I think Civil War is perfectly understandable by the fact the mods here have read it in isolation and understood it.
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If the only criteria for a perfect crossover is that it is perfectly self-contained than that's too bad, because besides that one distinction, INVASION! was pretty crap.
Posted by YMB Staff at July 24, 2006 06:00 PM